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Saturday, 23 August 2014

Plans to demolish former Carlisle pub an 'act of vandalism' - claim

Plans to demolish a Carlisle pub have been branded an “an act of vandalism” by a former city MP.

Carlisle pub photo
The Rose and Crown as it was

Eric Martlew made the comments after learning that Cumbrian Properties want to knock down the Rose & Crown in Upperby and replace it with semi-detached houses.

Developers have insisted that everything possible has been done to save the rundown “eyesore” and that demolition is the best and safest option.

The real vandals, they say, are the thieves and squatters who have broken in while English Heritage considered its future.

It was one of several pubs built and designed by Harry Redfern in the late 1920s and early 1930s as part of the Carlisle and District State Management Scheme.

But Mr Martlew, who lives in a former State Management brewery on Caldewgate, has hit out at the plans.

“We don’t make enough of the State Management Scheme: it was unique,” he said.

“We go on about the Romans but the Romans were in loads of places. The State Management was only in Carlisle.

“I’m saddened to think that the Rose and Crown could be knocked down and I don’t know if anything could be done to protect it. I think it’s an act of vandalism.”

But Adrian Hogarth, of Cumbrian Properties, said that he was prepared to meet with Mr Martlew to explain the reasons behind the plans.

He said: “It’s an eyesore and the longer it’s left, the more of an eyesore it will become.

“Every attempt has been made to do something with the property.

“But it’s being vandalised by people who are accessing it and it’s being destroyed: they are the real vandals.”

Mr Hogarth also provided the News & Star with a letter from English Heritage which said that the secretary of state for culture, media and sport had decided not to add the pub to a the list of buildings of special architectural or historic interest.

Mr Hogarth said it had taken six months for experts to consider whether or not to add it to the list. In the meantime squatters had been inside, the central heating system had been ripped out and lead taken off the roof, he said.

Residents living nearby were saddened by the plans.

Steven McMillan, 48, who lives next door to the old pub had mixed feelings.

He said: “It’s a good-looking building but it would be more secure if houses were built there.

“Ideally I would like to see someone make it into a nice house or flats but keep the original plans.”

Another resident living nearby said that to demolish it would be a “waste of a good building.”

Ian Boothman, 70, of Woodside North, off Brisco Road, used to play darts in the pub when it was under state control in the 60s.

He said: “I’m amazed. I can’t believe it. I know pubs are struggling but I’m sure they can do something better than knock it down. It’s ridiculous.

“Some pubs are converted into accommodation. Why can’t they do that? It’s a good building.”

He added: “I hope it [the demolition] doesn’t go ahead because they will be making a mistake.”

Have your say

Kate: the Horse & Farrier is listed which is why it can't be knocked down. As regards the Rose & Crown, it doesn't have a bowling green; there were houses built on it years ago & it's not been badly vandalised as has been claimed, it's been secured with steel shutters since it closed. As it is one of the Redfern pubs it is a unique part of Carlisle's history & should be retained because of that.

Posted by upperby resident on 22 January 2013 at 13:45

I used to work with a guy that drove the Shirehorse drawn dray wagons for Carlisle State Management scheme. The nice smell of beer being made in their Caldewgate brewery. That's decades ago, times have moved on. It may now seem a futile financial 'For Sale' return when years ago they were bought amass from CSMS, with so many inns having now been converted into homes but many have had a well run past mileage out of them by breweries. Breweries are in some degree are now run these days on a international scale and have no any interest in areas that may not reap the passing trade of tourism and locals when they can sell their products at greater impact elsewhere. Cheers to the Rose and Crown. Another Carlisle pub bites the dust.

Posted by Royl on 22 January 2013 at 11:00

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